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Original post: Venus666

Ave;
I am a Traditional satanist. I have been practicing for 13 yrs. I do a lot of study on the occult and also various paths of satanisim. I have been mostly self-taught. I hope I can come to the Occult Board with knowledge to pass on and also to learn from others.
I have been studying for a while, and I can see how many different paths can lead one down the ways of godhood. I have been studying traditional satanisim as a path for about a year, I like working with energies and spirits. I can see thier potential.
I was wondering if any of you have heard of a type of satanisim called Infernalisim? It is not like gothic satanisim (which is a reversal of christian rites).
I see Infernalisim as a way of life where you can Transvocate demons at will, have specific (esoteric) knowledge at hand, and be generally dark and in the ways of satan, down a path of Infernalisim. How this would be accomplished, without insanity? Or how could you use these things in a modern context?
I would not see Infernalisim as demon-worship. By using Transvocation (use of demonic abilities or perspectives) you could achieve much.

Original post: Jenfucius

I have never heard of Infernalism myself. Sounds interesting enough.

Is there anything you can tell us about your self taught practices. Do you recomend any books?

Original post: Venus666

Here's some good internet sources. I take a general intrest in Direct Magick.
Metamancy or the art of Magick:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/tomekeeper/resources/article
*The Classics of Magick:
http://www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/classics.htm
*Gate of the Black Sun: or Satanic Gnosis
http://occult-arcana.com/
*The Satanic Reds Explains Satanisim with a Pythagorean point of view
Very enlightening
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/s-t-p.html
*Planes of Existance justification for the existance of other realms:
http://www.realmagic.com/articles/27/2227-related.html
*Night Magick a well written site on the use of Night Magick
http://www.nightmagickcom/nmotc.htm
*Magick and ritual in satanisim:
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/magic/.ht.
*Luciferian Witchcraft:
http://www.chaostatic.com/paradigm/writings/sabbatic.html
*Models of Magick:
http://fnordfiles.rtfm.com.au/texts/Occult/Models%20of%20Magick.htm
That's just a taste of some of the internet sources. The study of magick is a never ending
task that I do not mind undertaking. There are some good sources on the net
if you don't want to spend your money on books. Look into as many sources and see how you can use them in a satanic context.
Venus666

Original post: m1thr0s

kinda catchy term...infernalism...it does smack of some kind of designer Satanism but I wouldn't want to judge the book by its cover...As a rule I don't much trust demons to do much of anything more important than maybe haul out my garbage etc...even then they have a tendency to get sidetracked...

the question of retaining one's center (my term I guess) is a very good one and demonstrates real life experience in these realms I think. I have had the displeasure to watch friends slide right over the edge of the abyss when dealing with these kinds of things...it can happen so fast you wouldn't believe it...like a car crash or whatever...and yet...it has never happened to me and I honestly don't think it can anymore...at least...not by way of anything demonic per se...I am extremely well defended that way. So maybe it's a question of knowing your defenses and being able to pull them out and rip ass on a moments' notice as needed...It's a tricky call though...you can't rely on anything "canned"...it's got to be core-born stuff that effectively underwrites all archetypal interactions...but if you have got all of that together, I can't see where it would be any different than angelic magick really...perhaps a lot more intelligent actually...that's just my bias coming out...angels bore the p*ss out of me mostly, when they don't move me to homicidal rage that is...

m1thr0s

Original post: Venus666

This is of course assuming that you believe in the spirit model ( that spirits exist.)
Yes there is a fine line between Transvocation and full on posession. I think that these states are very similar.
Transvocaton is a state of mind where a chosen entity is invited into your conciousness, for knowledge. You are aware of your actions. Most times this knowledge is esoteric in nature, and wouldn't mean much to any one who wasn't studying it. I ususally use it for informantion and the understanding of the human nature. I have entered this state several times. I usually let it go on for a week or two. I usually chant the name of the spirit I wish to call on, in my mind as a Mantra. (Hail Baphomet, Hail Lucifer) ect.
I can sometimes feel edgy, and that is when I know that it is taking over. I cant believe some of the revelations that come to me, such as truths and realizations. I should have wrote this stuff down. And I am reminded of thier eternal power. I have done this for the past year, to learn more about the esoteric side of Satanisim. I know that these are real spirits, because thier energies and ways of talking to me are all different. (I will say that satan's energy is more vengeful that Lucifer, who is more like enlightenment) I do not claim to invoke the actual spirit of satan et al. I am trying to align myself with the energies of satan, not make it manifest.
Invocation is the actual manefestation of a spirit to the material gross(!) physical world. Just imagine the kind of power and energy you would have to raise to make such a thing happen. Those who have claimed to actually invoke the spirit of satan to thier personal circle were either bragging, or they are one bad-a$$ mofo.
Posession is one state above transvocation, where the (Spirit) energies overtake your will and seriously affect your decision. I have not gone this far, but I think that one day, I will crave more energy and give it a try. The bad thing is that by using entities, you learn faster. But there is a heavy price to pay. Schisophrenia or suicide could happen, not to mention you could become the unwitting plaything of a god. Not good.
But hey, divine knowledge is yours for the taking, if you dare.
I like to think that I am a self-styled satanist, these are some of my beliefs.

Original post: Kain

Interesting approach Venus666, I've never heard of something similar untill now.

Original post: Jenfucius

Thanks for the sources Venus666! 8-)

Original post: Venus666

Yeah, not all of those links work, but it gives you an idea of whats on the net.

Original post: KissTheDevil

The Satanic are always full of suprises.

Original post: Suti

I myself have never heard of a satanic type called "infernalism", though the aims of this type as understood by yourself, rings many bells in that its describes what most proponents of spirituality of aspire to.

In the east it is nirvana, samadhi (union with brahman), in the western esoteric tradition, absolute knowledge, crossing the Abyss, attaining Kether etc.

I find your approach to satanism truly enlightening, in fact it reminds me of another satanists view of our religion, although he was not a traditionalist. If you are interested in reading it grab a copy of the book: "At the Heart of Darkness: Witchcraft, Black Magic and Satanism Today" by John Parker.

Original post: Venus666

In the east it is nirvana, samadhi (union with brahman), in the western esoteric tradition, absolute knowledge, crossing the Abyss, attaining Kether etc.

I find your approach to satanism truly enlightening, in fact it reminds me of another satanists view of our religion, although he was not a traditionalist. If you are interested in reading it grab a copy of the book: "At the Heart of Darkness: Witchcraft, Black Magic and Satanism Today" by John Parker.

Suti, thank you for your compliment. I am tyring to take a spiritual path of satanisim, say, much more spiritual than your average Satanist.. This is not easy, because there isnt many (believable)resources to work from, Satans and other gods of the dark"s mysteries are hidden deep.and That leaves me to figure out the mysteries of their treasure of knowledge...Ive been working on a website, trying to lay out this path of Infernalisim, and also theistic satanisim. This is becomming a real path for me and I made this site to share with you all..

Theistic Satanisim and Magick.
http://www.satanicmagick.co.nr/

From what Ive noticed, there is a difference between Infernalisim, and Diabolisim.
It's not my place to actually define this, but I must..
Infernalisim, which takes a spiritual approach in search of knowledge, is the gleaning of information and knowledge of the spirit world. It ca be called, "walking in the spirit world," ect. you gave some good descriptions, Suti, There is much to know from facing the unknown and the demons of old have much knowledge within thier beings.
VS, Diabolisim, which works with the same basic forces, but edges on insanity and is most likely not legal for many of it's practices one is drawn to..
This is a deep, psychologikal aspect of satanisim that is a world of it's own.

as it happens, I am now working on a drawing of Set, and have been studying some of his qualities of late..
and then I noticed your Avatar..


In satan's flame;
venus666

Original post: Suti

Venus666, is was a pleasure to compliment you, you deserve it for being thoughtful and introspective into the nature and boundaries of your religion.

I believe that true satanist are also occultists, and as such we have a inherent responsible to our Higher Self to follow the path of the occultist, at very least within a satanic paradigm.

Just to clarify the word occult means "Hidden from the eye or the understanding; invisible; secret; concealed; unknown. [1913 Webster]".

Thus it is our responsiblity to search out Hidden Knowledge and integrate that knowledge with our religious paradigms.

I am glad to know that you are researching Seth, in my opnion he is the orginal prince of darkness and so being the fore-runner of the the Christian Satan. This belief has to me at least justified the study of the various occult branch, both East and West, in search of knowledge and wisdom. After all the Eqyptians where known thoughout the Ancient World for there Wisdom and Knowledge. Although there lack of respect for Seth is as typical as modern soceties lack of understanding in relation to the Left Hand Path.

Dark Blessing in your search for Gnosis.

Original post: m1thr0s

nice website Venus666...except for the annoying flash-popup...
nice layout...good articles etc...hang in there!

m1thr0s

Original post: Arckangel

I decided to revive the topic of transvocation. I've been diligently giving it a try for months already. Several entities.

Have you ever experienced it? Any success? How did you proceed? How did you enter transvocation? How did you manage to communicate with the entity and comprehend their answers? I heard about Venus'. Now, I wanna know about YOUR experiences with transvocation if you're willing to share.

Original post: Ulvblod ov Fenrir

Right on. Far too often I see induhviduals espousing to be Satanists, but clinging religiously to dogma and beLIEf systems just as hard as their Xian counterparts. First and foremost, I have been eternally fascinated with chaos theory and chaos magick. Secondly, what you would call Infernalism, is technically an approach that I have taken in studying various branches of Satanism, Luciferianism, Left-Hand Path, etc. If I am understanding your intent correctly. You are essentially advocating the freedom to paradigm shift beLIEf systems to suit your personal needs. One should be able to pick and choose paradigms to work with/in so as to be free to understand the concept that Carroll put elegantly in Liber Null & Psychonaut: "In all things know that I AM THIS ILLUSION, In all things know also that I AM NOT THIS ILLUSION."

Original post: Venus666

Transvocation requires several different abilities, and the ability to reach controlled states of mind so that you can interact with divine beings.

I came back, and I found this topic open. A lot has changed for me since I wrote that! But I have to say that transvocation is entirely possible..If it is your will

Transvocation is a state of summoning that is in between evocation and invocation. This means that you have evoked the demon, and invoked it as well but you maintain a distance between you both so that you retain your full consciousness and awareness. Full possession would overtake your concsiousness, and evocation is not good enough in most cases nor is it practical, especially if you do not want to spend every moment summoning. Learn how to tap into the energy source and knowledge and spiritual awareness, [or whatever] that is offered through these demons by learning how to transvoke, instead.

First thing would be the ability to perceive, to use perception in different ways. For instance, you may have psychic abilities, or psychic hearing [clairaudience] you might have clairsentience, or any of these 'extra' sensory perception abilities which are going to help you to be able to communicate. Because transvocation can leave to to be open to the communication of a demon you would also have to have the ability to balance your perceptions with your surrounding reality.

Secondly, your goal would be to develop a relationship with the demon. This would be through the signs and communications that you get from the demon. IF you reach out to them, they will be there just as others have summoned them before. Being able to recognize the signs, will help your progress. Dont feel pressured if you find that you are in a situation that you can not handle, you can always break the process of transvocation through your favorite banishing method of choice.

Communications come in the form of internal visions, realizations, situational awareness on certain, specific levels - your senses will increase the more aware you are. It all comes down to awareness and being able to tap into the potential that the demon can offer you.....


Venus Satanas

Original post: the phoenix

You may believe you communicate with a particular deity, demon, or whatnot. But so do many others. And experience reports vary widely. Therefore, logical dictates that experience alone is insufficient.

This realization is an axiomatically pivotal aspect of true power. It is the difference between being taken seriously in the other worlds, or being taken totally advantage of in ways that you will probably not recognize until the bardo.

Occult Forum Archive wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2004 9:01 am Original post: Venus666

Ave;
I am a Traditional satanist. I have been practicing for 13 yrs. I do a lot of study on the occult and also various paths of satanisim. I have been mostly self-taught. I hope I can come to the Occult Board with knowledge to pass on and also to learn from others.
I have been studying for a while, and I can see how many different paths can lead one down the ways of godhood. I have been studying traditional satanisim as a path for about a year, I like working with energies and spirits. I can see thier potential.
I was wondering if any of you have heard of a type of satanisim called Infernalisim? It is not like gothic satanisim (which is a reversal of christian rites).
I see Infernalisim as a way of life where you can Transvocate demons at will, have specific (esoteric) knowledge at hand, and be generally dark and in the ways of satan, down a path of Infernalisim. How this would be accomplished, without insanity? Or how could you use these things in a modern context?
I would not see Infernalisim as demon-worship. By using Transvocation (use of demonic abilities or perspectives) you could achieve much.

Hail Satan I will check this out brother thanx I think this is what I am without realizing it.

By some accounts, there is a group in the Sirius system that sets the rules for inner initiation in this solar system. Various experiences/experiencers support that view.

Thus there are local limits on self-oriented spiritual advancement.

The rules cover several soul-bearing species

It seems that service to The Source of All is central to progress once the personality is controlled.

Amor wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:29 am By some accounts, there is a group in the Sirius system that sets the rules for inner initiation in this solar system. Various experiences/experiencers support that view.

Thus there are local limits on self-oriented spiritual advancement.

The rules cover several soul-bearing species

It seems that service to The Source of All is central to progress once the personality is controlled.

I think that is conspiracy bollocks.

It is simple to test:

- take a person on the RHP and push them towards first stage enlightenment

- take a person on the LHP and push them towards first stage enlightenment

What is the difference?

Amor wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 1:45 am It is simple to test:

- take a person on the RHP and push them towards first stage enlightenment

- take a person on the LHP and push them towards first stage enlightenment

What is the difference?

There is no such thing as enlightenment it is all a lie. I used to believe in this crap not anymore.

The meaning/core of enlightenment is that Light flows easily through the humanness.

Have a look at various humans to see how easily the Light flows through them.

I prefer experiments to beliefs.

About the age of 20 on a daily basis I would look at assumptions underlying a chosen action. I was daily astounded by the stupid things I had been taught to believe

Amor wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 12:49 am The meaning/core of enlightenment is that Light flows easily through the humanness.

Have a look at various humans to see how easily the Light flows through them.

I prefer experiments to beliefs.

About the age of 20 on a daily basis I would look at assumptions underlying a chosen action. I was daily astounded by the stupid things I had been taught to believe

That is Chi/Ki energy that we all possess; nothing more, how you use that energy in magic is up to you. Nothing to do with enlightenment.

>That is Chi/Ki energy that we all possess; nothing more

Not my experience at all. The further I get out past this universe, the more I find different versions of Life Force and different versions of Intent

Some friends do experiments to test my observations. What they find is very interesting - often adding new dimensions to my observations