Why do devil worshippers..

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Original post: EarthChild

brag about having seen the Devil or Satan? They make the most ridiculous statements such as, the other day Satan spoke to me or I sat next to him and had this wonderful conversation. These people are either incredibly deluded or uknown to them, arent dealing with Satan but a lesser demon/messanger. If you actually saw the Devil you would fall dead on the spot, for no one could handle such a horrific shock.

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Original post: Great American Desert

What makes you think a person would fall dead on the spot after an encounter with the Devil? Such a statement can't be anything more than mere speculation, since there could be no direct evidence for such an idea. The only way you could know this to be true is to have seen the Devil yourself, in which case you too would be dead, and therefore couldn't be logging in to post on the forum. What it does make clear, however, is that you have not seen the Devil yourself, and can only speculate on his substance.

Maybe the Devil Worshippers have seen and conversed with the Devil? Who is the Devil, and whose Devil are we speaking of?

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Original post: Scarlett_156

I've seen Baphomet and talked to him on a couple of occasions. Once you make contact with him the first time, it becomes a fairly easy matter subsequent to that. I can't speak for everyone else, of course, but in my case it was something I wanted to happen and I expected a result. My dog who was with me did get scared but he didn't die or anything.

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Original post: EarthChild

What makes you think a person would fall dead on the spot after an encounter with the Devil? Such a statement can't be anything more than mere speculation, since there could be no direct evidence for such an idea. The only way you could know this to be true is to have seen the Devil yourself, in which case you too would be dead, and therefore couldn't be logging in to post on the forum. What it does make clear, however, is that you have not seen the Devil yourself, and can only speculate on his substance.

Maybe the Devil Worshippers have seen and conversed with the Devil? Who is the Devil, and whose Devil are we speaking of?

Well, based on the repuation of omnipotence that both the Devil and God seem have adapted, one would imagine that standing infront of Devil or God would be equivelant of standing a few inches away the Sun. Their vibrations would be overwhelming to the mere human and surely cause death. One of the tendancies of Human nature is to humanize everything, including Godforms.

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Original post: Talus

Horrific?! What is horrific; the GOAT rising from SLUMBER to smite IGNORANCE in the WORLD, or the PIG on the CROSS who cries yet does nothing..? I do not fear God, I do not fear Death, I do not fear Life, and I do not fear Lucifer. Lucifer is FREEDOM, and he grants it to us if we want it. I invoke my Satanic paradigm in HIS HONOR.

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Original post: EarthChild

[QUOTE=Talus;318294]Horrific?! What is horrific; the GOAT rising from SLUMBER to smite IGNORANCE in the WORLD, or the PIG on the CROSS who cries yet does nothing..? I do not fear God, I do not fear Death, I do not fear Life, and I do not fear Lucifer. Lucifer is FREEDOM, and he grants it to us if we want it. I invoke my Satanic paradigm in HIS HONOR.[/QUOTE]

I admire your passion.

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Original post: Talus

and I admire your avatar:p

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Original post: EarthChild

thanks, i couldnt have the full image so i had to crop it. :-(
here is the full imaget though

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Original post: Talus

it doesnt look very aged, is it cared for or is it new?

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Original post: MrK

A devil is nothing more then a fallen angel and there are several devils in jewish and christian mythology. Most scholars even consider satan to be one of the fallen angels or a combination of fallen angels so the vibrations as some keep saying it would be in the amount of an angel and not in the amount of God.

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Original post: Talus

I always thought catholics believe that Satan is god's strongest angel, who was jealous of the love God had for Humans, even though he was serving god faithfully, and loved God very much.

But wikipedia gives a different perspective:

It is generally accepted by most Christians that the fallen angels were cast out of Heaven because of actions taken against God.[citation needed] These actions were enabled because the angels were granted free will. Generally, these actions included active rebellion, doubt in God's motives or plans, or a rejection of the system of Heaven. Pride is often involved, especially in cases where an angel believed itself to be more powerful than God (Lucifer being the prime example among these), Although it is said that Lucifer, the first Angel and favorite son didn't want God's power, but, instead felt that God was enslaving humanity, even though they were happy in the Garden of Eden, they were still 'Thralls of God'. This is considered one of the reasons Lucifer tempts Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge so that they can come to their full potential,after all Lucifer was the Angel of Light, Music, and beauty,and with Light also comes knowledge, and while being in the Garden of Eden meant eternal paradise it also meant eternal ignorance.

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Original post: doh

Even in keeping with the idea of them actually speaking to the biblical Satan or Devil, the Devil is NOT omnipotent. Only God is. So to look on him or speak to him wouldn't kill you.

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Original post: Azerate218

[QUOTE=MrK;318332]A devil is nothing more then a fallen angel and there are several devils in jewish and christian mythology. Most scholars even consider satan to be one of the fallen angels or a combination of fallen angels so the vibrations as some keep saying it would be in the amount of an angel and not in the amount of God.[/QUOTE]

In my belief, Satan is not a fallen angel. Rather, he is a perfect manifestation of the energy of Chaos. I have invoked Satan. I did not see him, rather, I felt a prescence in the room.

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Original post: MrK

[QUOTE=Azerate218;319194]In my belief, Satan is not a fallen angel. Rather, he is a perfect manifestation of the energy of Chaos. I have invoked Satan. I did not see him, rather, I felt a prescence in the room.[/QUOTE]

Yea that is also a rather common theory and one that I think is much more accurate then many others.

Cool to see MLO represented here as well. It was a bit quite about MLO for a few years but from what I have understood you guys are on the way back now right?

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Original post: Azerate218

Yeah, the MLO is on its way back.

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Original post: setiamon

I knew a guy who says he has been working with the qlippoth for over a decade,projecting into it and such,he discribes it in very vivid and very physical terms

anyhow his eventual encounter with satan/lucifer as very intense but he said he didn't look at him directly,he just kind of saw him at the periphereal and it was just very bright white energy he was to intimidated to look him directly in the face.
also he said he was 'gone' most of the time his throne was empty and he only met him when he made some kind of pact.
no idea again this guy has been projecting for decades

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Original post: Ninhurra

[QUOTE=Scarlett_156;318286]I've seen Baphomet and talked to him on a couple of occasions. Once you make contact with him the first time, it becomes a fairly easy matter subsequent to that. I can't speak for everyone else, of course, but in my case it was something I wanted to happen and I expected a result. My dog who was with me did get scared but he didn't die or anything.[/QUOTE]

If considering christian Satan you could say Baphomet is the same, but considering occult point of view the consept of christian Satan includes nearly all powerful prechirstian Dieties.

Christianity and cults branched from it are based on fear, ignorance and oppress. The fear of different noncarnate entities (the Evil) is essential for the submit to the undesirable way of life. So, basically as an occultist I do need to be careful when meeting beings not alive, but I do not have (as I have never been preached to) frear them either.

Personally, I find different nature spirits, for e.g. faeries more frightening, as those I have met, have been capricious, even mischievous.

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Original post: Aset-Ka

[QUOTE=Azerate218;319194]In my belief, Satan is not a fallen angel. Rather, he is a perfect manifestation of the energy of Chaos. I have invoked Satan. I did not see him, rather, I felt a prescence in the room.[/QUOTE]


Why not worship Chaos then? There are other names for the Lord of Chaos that aren't associated with so much nonsense as Satan has been. Set, for one. I think thats one of the main reasons for the Temple of Set. Satanists wanted a new name. I'm sure there's more to it than that, of course, but still, good call for them.

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Original post: Aset-Ka

In some references long forgotten, I remember reading that Satans were plural and could have referred to angels who were not evil, but rather only performing a duty for God, which was to observe humans and report wrong doings, thus accusing them before God. This job could have been given to any angel at any time, so it was not a name, but rather a job title that may have been performed by more than one, in what I would refer to as mythology.

Also, there is the account of an Angel refusing to kneel before a man (this may have been outright accepted fiction, I don't remember or care to be honest), because it felt men were inferior, but it was God's will, and so that angel and those who refused to follow God's will were no longer on good terms with God.

Some of that may have been from ficticious sources, but some of it was certainly from the Books of Enoch. Alot of the stuff here was, I think, found in the less respectable of the translations of the Book of Enoch. I have the Ethiopian translation of it, but I think the other may have more about the fall of angels.

The Book of Enoch also discusses how the angels helped men learn to make weapons and fire, arts, and crafts....which they weren't supposed to do, and how they mated with humans and created the Nephilim, which those angels still on good terms with God were later ordered to slaughter, etc, which caused their "father" angels to be eternally angry with God, or what-have-you.

I don't keep up on this stuff anymore, really, lol, but I think I also read that Goliath in the David and Goliath story of the Christian bible may have been a Nephilim. Not too sure on that one either, lol. Actually, I think it may be referenced in the bible, which is why I remember it, and "considered" it interesting at one time.

But, that may be an interesting topic for discussion. Legend has it that some Nephilim survived and have descendants. So, maybe if you've got curly hair and are abnormally strong you're a descendant, er maybe thats not the criteria, but as stated perhaps a good topic for discussion. It could explain a percentage of the otherkin nutjobs, haha. I kid. I kid. Don't be insulted, please. If you are, lighten up.

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Original post: Azerate218

[QUOTE=Aset-Ka;319904]Why not worship Chaos then? There are other names for the Lord of Chaos that aren't associated with so much nonsense as Satan has been. Set, for one. I think thats one of the main reasons for the Temple of Set. Satanists wanted a new name. I'm sure there's more to it than that, of course, but still, good call for them.[/QUOTE]

In a sense, I do worship Chaos. And I believe that Set and Satan are the same being.

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Original post: Venus666

The worship of satan, for orthodox satanists comes as a natural thing. It is not uncommon to be able to tap into the archetype and consciousness of a god or demon, regardless of your paths or beliefs. However, the amount of information and the quality of information from these sources vary, depending upon the person who calls upon them. For instance, someone who is not spiritually connected and who is mentally unstable, is going to have a much different experience than one who has taken the time and effort to study and practice real spiritual methods. The messenger is only as good as the one who is listening, so take stories like this with a grain of salt until you start developing your own experiences within satanism.

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Original post: Magus Habilus

[QUOTE=EarthChild;318282]brag about having seen the Devil or Satan? They make the most ridiculous statements such as, the other day Satan spoke to me or I sat next to him and had this wonderful conversation. These people are either incredibly deluded or uknown to them, arent dealing with Satan but a lesser demon/messanger. If you actually saw the Devil you would fall dead on the spot, for no one could handle such a horrific shock.[/QUOTE]

His highness can restrain as much of his glory as he wishes,he could be a fly on your ice cream for all you know.and besides,an astral/etheric visitation is far diffrent from in the flesh.you've never had one or you'd know.sorry if that offends,but its true.

Astral visitations can be just like person to person chat,the in the flesh has immediate physical effects like screaming and crying while you shake and puke uncontrollably,not just Satan but effectively any astral/etheric being especially if you've annoyed them.

Lord Satan and lucifer have both been kind enough to restrain thier glory when they have come to me,but there was one necromantic being that had me hanging on to sanity for dear life,and it still took me weeks to recover,however one egyptian goddess I deal with came upon me so strongly I had male-multiple orgasms and passed out to blissful communion with her.

Maybe you rub Satan the wrong way?

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Original post: EarthChild

brag about having seen the Devil or Satan? They make the most ridiculous statements such as, the other day Satan spoke to me or I sat next to him and had this wonderful conversation. These people are either incredibly deluded or uknown to them, arent dealing with Satan but a lesser demon/messanger. If you actually saw the Devil you would fall dead on the spot, for no one could handle such a horrific shock.

nonsense you know nothing.

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In the Sumerian accounts, Enlil (a psychopath) is called The Great Satam, meaning The Great Administrator. Enlil still exists and claims control of this planet.

He was the one who decided that humans should not be warned of the coming great flood.

Enki, genetic breeder of humans, bound to secrecy, told his human friend (Noah) to stand behind a hedge, whereupon Enlil (serpent-human) explained to another Anunnaki how to build an ark - while Noah accidentally overheard