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Witchcraft - permanent gender change with magick?
wild-fire - Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:17 am
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hi, I dont know if this has been asked but I have been looking for a way with magick to change my gender, I know its possible, I just have not figured out how yet....can anyone help me....please without sarchastic remarks about surgery
thanks
Wild-fire
wild-fire - Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:19 am
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oh if you dont feel comfortable with posting to the forum its ok please just PM me or email me at fantom69@bellsouth.net
thanks again
Wild-fire
doh - Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:46 am
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Sometimes, with magik anything is possible. Since you asked, I'm keeping the sarcasm down, but honestly the ability to change your makeup is something best left to doctors and not magik. I don't think anyone here knows how to do this, or would necessarily be willing to share if they did.
http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1689&highlight=temperary+temporary+gender+change
or
http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2167&highlight=shapeshifting
or
http://www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=746&highlight=shapeshifting
I'm really not trying to be ass (it just comes out sometimes), but are you any relation to lilextreme?
I'm not going to lock this, yet. If it becomes a bash fest, it will be locked and deleted immediately.
wild-fire - Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:11 pm
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doh wrote:I'm really not trying to be ass (it just comes out sometimes), but are you any relation to lilextreme?
nope not related and I dont trust surgery all that much, I just figured it couldnt hurt to ask
Constantine - Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:21 pm
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Hi there wild-fire, I must admit I don't know of any magic for Gender changing( not permanently anyway ) but you may like to try a ritual to help you to accept the skin that you're in.( I'll see what I can find ) I Know that this probably isn't the answer that you are looking for, but whether you stay as you are or whether you do change your gender, I believe that self acceptance is a very important . Try to find the beauty in your differences. If we are unable to accept ourselves, it becomes very difficult for others to accept us.
Good Luck and Blessed be.
doh - Fri Apr 18, 2003 12:15 am
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Don't trust doctors much myself (they are all quacks). I agree with Constantine, however. Learn to accept who you are. Sometimes its difficult and if you feel you are trapped physically in a body that is not your gender, I would try to come to terms with that. If it's not possible, I honestly believe that a physician may be who you need to talk to. I haven't heard of any magik that permanently changes your physical aspects.
wild-fire - Fri Apr 18, 2003 5:53 am
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yeah I agree, most doctors are quacks, like every practice though there are a few that are not quacks but those are so few and far between that most people never get a chance to see one, which really sucks rotton eggs [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_smile.gif[/img]
1000ShadesofGrey - Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:52 pm
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Perhaps you should take a look at http://www.castaneda.com/.
Their Nagual-Woman, Carol Tiggs has merged body and soul with the Death Defier, and that guy had to change himself into a woman to escape eternal imprisonment.
I don't know if they're going to answer you, but... What have you got to loose ?
wild-fire - Sun Apr 20, 2003 1:24 am
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1000ShadesofGrey wrote:Perhaps you should take a look at http://www.castaneda.com/.
Their Nagual-Woman, Carol Tiggs has merged body and soul with the Death Defier, and that guy had to change himself into a woman to escape eternal imprisonment.
I don't know if they're going to answer you, but... What have you got to loose ?
thanks for the info, I could not find any info about Carol Tiggs anywhere on the page, and from the way it looks they probably wont speak to me unless I take their classes, which I do not have the funds for right now
1000ShadesofGrey - Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:08 am
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Well, try these ones :
www.sustainedaction.org/Explorations/ Carol%20Tiggs'%20speech%20at%20Tula.htm
www.sustainedaction.org/Chronologies/chronTiggsIV.htm
www.nagual.net/wnotes/jul97/page10.html
www.nagual.net/ixtlan/interviews/masalla.html
www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5418/people.html
homepages.ihug.com.au/~avanstar/esocast.html
pub134.ezboard.com/ fsustainedreaction98489speculationsoncastanedaspsychology.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
members.aol.com/saucerer/dbu4.html
www.volny.cz/castaneda/en/interviews/22.html
www.ablairewart.com/MINDFIRE/ CASTANEDA%20TAISHA%20INT%201.asp
www.religionreference.com/ Don_Juan_and_the_Art_of_Sexual_Energy_The_Rainbow_Serpent_of_the_Toltecs_187918...
If you can't find anything in there, try a google search.
And there's another thing that you must ( allways ) remember : Be Carefull !!! The world is full of danger, and magick is no exception.
wild-fire - Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:55 am
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yes I am well aware of the dangers of magick, I have been a practicing witch since 1991, but the magick I am looking for is well hidden or it doesnt exist, and I truly believe it does exist, I just need to find it, I thought since the internet I might be able to find it, but so far nope, I am starting to believe the people who know this magick are steering cleer if the internet
WF
Apsinthion - Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:28 am
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I'm sure the people who know that kind of magick are busy putting it to good use, I know I would... [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
1000ShadesofGrey - Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:01 pm
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Perhaps you should check out with Hecate followers.
Apart from what i've told you before, the only other case of permanent magickal gender change, that I've heard before, was a Hecate worshipper, but I don't have much info about that.
Jamshyd - Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:34 pm
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...
How nostalgic [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_lol.gif[/img]
I can criticize a lot herebut I don't want to offend anyone.
(and lol apsinthion [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img])
Lich - Mon Apr 21, 2003 8:49 pm
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I think it is possible, but I'd really have to see it before I'd say I'm a full believer in it.
Ravin - Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:17 am
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I do believe this magick and all associated with it exists. The problem is we as a species, religion, and as spirits have lost it. I know of animals that can change there gender. If they can why not us. Magick is magick, right? But we do not believe so it does not happen. Even the slightest doubt and it will not exist. Just like in levitaion, telekinisis, and astral projection. You have to believ for it to work. Its primary and for me still beyond my abilities. I hope when i am older these things will become stronger. But i would rather focus on being happy and looking after my son than moving a pencil with my mind, or reading another persons thoughts. I am a gay wiccan and in this society both are ridiculed, you just have to 100% believe and anything is possible. But again there are rules of magick, are we not suppose to exhaust every possible solution before casting a spell. If you have a headache, take an aspirin. If that does not work move on to the next solution, tell me what you think about this.
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PCP - Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:04 am
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i know of animals that can breathe in water. i know some that can fly. i know some that can eat grass. i even know some that can walk over the water. i guess that's the animal power that jesus had figured out.
seriously... maybe they can because they are physically suited for it and we are not?
as for the rules of magick, i must admit i never believed in them, until, saturday i think, i met one in a bar and hell, for every drink i got him he bought me three!
Jamshyd - Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:38 pm
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LOL!
Well, here is what I have to say:
Till this day, I have never, ever seen magick that can produce physical changes in people directly. (yes, you can use magick to make someone fall on their back and get permanently paralyzed, but I have never seen magick being used to actually make somoen paralyzed out of thin air.) Gender is similar. You can't just use magick to inflate your breasts and sprout a penis out of the blue (or vice-versa). However, if you keep thinking that you are someone of the opposite sex, you might actually brainwash yourself into becoming one. However, I doubt brainwashing can produce any physical changes.
PCP - Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:21 pm
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jamshyd...
till this day... i have only ever seen magick that has created reality... so tangible... so concrete that we could only get paralyzed and dance...
but i have seen magic change my world... change every facet of it... magick is the consciousness behind the behaviour of manifestation... magic is everything and what it does...
Jamshyd - Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:02 pm
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Oh! I thought you where joking (as you usually do! hehe), I guess I misunderstood. Sorry if I offended you [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_sad.gif[/img]
PCP - Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:08 pm
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hey, you cannot offend me and if you could i'd be grateful for it.
i never joke nor am i ever serious (hehe)... go ahead, play your games, i'll play mine
Jamshyd - Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:20 pm
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*Sniffs*
...
*Points at PCP*
*Sniffs*
Moooomyyyy!!!!
*Goes off running and crying*
lol
wild-fire - Tue Apr 22, 2003 7:20 pm
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now that was just plain silly
yourforgottengod - Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:02 pm
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you want a pernamint gender change by magick
sit in the forest
talk to your god or bog or what ever floats your boat
find a pregnent ladie
this is the hard part
think of the sex you want . . . .
then boke the womens belly and proclaim "ITS A BOY!"
wait nine to ten months to see results . . . . .
Jamshyd - Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:28 pm
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wild-fire wrote:now that was just plain silly
Humour while discussing magic? Blasphemy! [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
wild-fire - Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:36 pm
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yourforgottengod wrote:you want a pernamint gender change by magick
sit in the forest
talk to your god or bog or what ever floats your boat
find a pregnent ladie
this is the hard part
think of the sex you want . . . .
then boke the womens belly and proclaim "ITS A BOY!"
wait nine to ten months to see results . . . . .
not quite what I had in mind, I want to change my own gender, because I was born the wrong one, I am not out to change someone elses gender unless thats what they want
PCP - Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:09 pm
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hey!
retroactive enchantment!
i recently read magia sexualis by um some guy which included an exercise that would make you able to choose your child's gender
now combine this with carolls ramblings about retroactive enchantment and voila!
another month wasted
*sighs*
oh well... it was worth a try
wild-fire - Wed Apr 23, 2003 1:00 am
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PCP wrote:hey!
retroactive enchantment!
i recently read magia sexualis by um some guy which included an exercise that would make you able to choose your child's gender
now combine this with carolls ramblings about retroactive enchantment and voila!
another month wasted
*sighs*
oh well... it was worth a try
ok is that a book? if its anygood I wanna read it especially if it might help me reach my goal
PCP - Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:05 am
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yes it is a book, mostly dedicated to sex magick with one or two pages about determinating the gender of a child.
it was just a random thought... changing the past, not the present...
wild-fire - Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:07 am
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I'll have to check it out, thanx
wild-fire - Wed Apr 23, 2003 8:18 am
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PCP wrote:hey!
retroactive enchantment!
i recently read magia sexualis by um some guy which included an exercise that would make you able to choose your child's gender
now combine this with carolls ramblings about retroactive enchantment and voila!
another month wasted
*sighs*
oh well... it was worth a try
oh yeah I forgot to ask about the ramblings of retroactive enchantment, I will probably need to read up on that too
PCP - Wed Apr 23, 2003 12:43 pm
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not too difficult really
you notice how enchantments generally try to alter the future? well... retroactive means that they can also target the past...
wild-fire - Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:15 pm
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PCP wrote:not too difficult really
you notice how enchantments generally try to alter the future? well... retroactive means that they can also target the past...
ok if I am reading you right then I could probably make myself female in my mothers womb? wouldnt that effect the events that happened in my life if I were sucessful?
PCP wrote:now combine this with carolls ramblings about retroactive enchantment and voila!
is this person a member of the board? can you point me to those ramblings?
PCP - Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:25 pm
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hey, pope pete, are you out there?...
*sighs*
sad...
nope, i don't think he's on this board. hey, etadich, why didn't you ******* get us pete carroll?!
seriously PC is one of the founding fathers of chaos magic and his theories about retroactive enchantments can be found in liber kaos i think. might be available on the net.
and while my ego usually delights in every bit of attention it receives (stupid little bugger isn't it?) i think i'll let you enjoy the excitement of research, contemplation and experimentation for yourself because a) my g/f was a bitch b) i don't know anything c) a combination of the above
i think the problem with the retroactive enchantment is: how many people are investing energy to sustain the reality that you are (are you actually male or female? male i guess?). you'd first have to remove that from your life. become a fanthom. can you describe this as erasing personal history? i'd think so. otherwise these people will keep you in place.
wild-fire - Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:45 am
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PCP wrote:
i think the problem with the retroactive enchantment is: how many people are investing energy to sustain the reality that you are (are you actually male or female? male i guess?). you'd first have to remove that from your life. become a fanthom. can you describe this as erasing personal history? i'd think so. otherwise these people will keep you in place.
sounds like a great idea but...I'm not sure what to do to remove that, do you have some idea where I can look?
PCP - Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:24 am
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why, of course
http://www.google.com/
keyword: erasing personal history
wild-fire - Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:55 am
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thanks for the quick response PCP
yourforgottengod - Thu Apr 24, 2003 5:23 pm
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from what i have found . . . . . . . . nothing happens with out a purpess . . . . . . so in this case . .. . . the gender you have . . . though you might think it is not the one for you . . . . . . . is the one you have for a reason . . . . . . the spirit is both sexes . . . . . . all greeds . . . all ideals . . . . all paths . . . all skin . . . . . . what pops out of your mother . . . . . is the manaphestation of what it is youve been needing to learn . . . . .
theres a lesson to be tough wile living this game
just play it
go with it
die another day
dont spend the whole time reading the manuel
trying to figure out how to change your charicters settings
just play the charicter youve got
dont waist your time limit
dont be boring
PCP - Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:27 am
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yfg gone mystic?
jesus...
next time you tell us to be nice to each other
seriously
you say that nothing happens without purpose
so why wild-fire's intense desire to change his/her sex?
yourforgottengod - Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:06 am
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eather his/her . . . . . . sould/mind/sprit . . . . has lost its way onthe intended path . . . . . or she hasent been listening to the signiles in her life . . . . . .
or perhaps the need to change it . . . . will bring up a quest that will reveal the purpess of his life
PCP - Fri Apr 25, 2003 8:27 am
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is that so?
who intends the path of his/her soul? who sends out the signals?
btw. wild-fire... why do you want to change your sex? wouldn't it be easier by far to change your desire?
yourforgottengod - Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:37 am
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hehehehe
the person dose . . . its the whole connecting with your spirit guid . . . . . . connecting with your inner self . . . deal . . . . .
and fate . . . . . fate is the force that is the couse . . .
PCP - Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:55 am
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allow me to summarize
so the soul sends out signals that the soul isn't listening to because it is straying from the path that the soul intents for the soul which is to reunite with the soul.
and what is fate? how does it act? how does it exist? why does it want anything?
yourforgottengod - Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:35 am
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this is a totaly diffrent topic that i would rather not start on this thread . . . . . . . . but i would love to rexplain my thoughts on that subject . . just not here . . . .
and no
wild-fire - Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:39 am
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I have tried to change my desire, it has not worked, my soul tell me my body is wrong is why I desire to change my gender
Dracophoenix - Sat Apr 26, 2003 12:47 pm
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Yes it is possible.
The kind of majik you'd have to use is shape shifting or flesh sculpting majiks in order to change your gender permanently. You'd also need a lot of power and raw energy to pull it off too. You'd need to be somewhere with lots of power and with a very thin veil between the real physical realiy and the spirit plane like Kyoto, New York City etc. to cast the spell to make it easieron the person casting the spell. I lived in NYC and saw some things I haven't seen since anywhere else and that was just for the mundane. The non mundane I was things that still boggle the mind to this day.
wild-fire - Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:14 pm
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I will have to look into that, thank you very much
Dracophoenix - Sat Apr 26, 2003 1:22 pm
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Anytime. I am glad I could help you.
Renée - Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:35 pm
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Do you want to change your gender or do you want to change your sex. Gender is inside and sex is outside. I am a bit confused. I am guessing you are the male sex and have a female gender and would like to change your sex to female. Is that correct? Teans-gendered is a slang term. The medical term is transsexual meaning cross sexed. If you are a female on the inside and male on the outside you are a transexual. If you go to therepy for s.r.s. (sex reassignment surgury) then you are a pre-op-transexual. If you complete the process which takes several years (including probably a year befor they will let you start on harmones) and I think they make you live as a woman before you get s.r.s.. Then all the surgury will cost up to $100,000. You will need much electrolosis and facial plastic surgury to make you jaw structure etc. more feminine. If you have more questions feel free to ask.
As far as your question I do not know a spell and I agree wiitih Constantine (I think it was) get more used to your body and if you belioeve in reincarnation realize your spirit chose your body for some reason and perhaps in the next life things will match. There are herbal harmones.
I am not being flippant, having known several transsexuals I would not want to wish it on any body. Many are really tortured souls. It is worse for male transexuals than female because females can cut their hair short and wear flats, but generally men can not grow their hair long and wear dresses and heels to work. In fact many places, towns etc. you will get beat up or possibly killed.
Ravin - Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:05 am
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I disagree with some of the above statement. This is not the forum to debate that topic so feel free to pm me. If you can't help Wildfire then perhaps give reassurance rather than a 'there' there' kind of response.
R
Renée - Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:59 am
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I suppose this came out in a different manor than I meant as the last impression would be one of condesention rather than compassion. Although, from Wild-Fires impression, if he (i get the impression Wild-Fire is a he wanting to be a she although a she wanting to be a he would be the same) wants to be a she then I see nothing wrong with a "there there even though we can not help you change your sex everything can be alright as Constatene (sp?) wrote"
No, I do not know how to change one's sex from a male to a female or vice verca. Wouldn't it be just as difficult as growing back a severed limb?
Was my post any different than this one?
"from what i have found . . . . . . . . nothing happens with out a purpess . . . . . . so in this case . .. . . the gender you have . . . though you might think it is not the one for you . . . . . . . is the one you have for a reason . . . . . . the spirit is both sexes . . . . . . all greeds . . . all ideals . . . . all paths . . . all skin . . . . . . what pops out of your mother . . . . . is the manaphestation of what it is youve been needing to learn . . . . . "
S.R.S. in case you have never seen pictures is pretty involved surgury whicih is why it costs about $40,000.
Harmone therepy can help one feel more like the sex one wants to be.
I have more than one family member who is a transsexual and have known a few who went through to surgury.
I still do not understand as there was a post which was not flippant but responded in something like "yes go to a magician as in doctor..." intimating that was Wild-Fire wanted to do through magic can only be done through medicine. I was merely trying to take these 2 posts to a deeper level to show how if the magick does not work how medicine can, although it is a long and expensive process. Yet, there can be some middle ground where Wild-Fire can help the body and sex/gender if for a lack of better expression "blend" together better.
Research shows that this mismatch is a medical cause through mixed up genetics/harmones during fetal developement. Yes, given the fact that the if the "soul chooses the body" as some one wrote does not make the struggle any less difficult to come to terms wiith. So may I use a cliche that mismatched person must do some "soul searching".
My point is in my family there are 3 generations of mismatched body/souls, a half uncle a brother and a nephew by another brother, as well as several others. Having seen what they went and are going through I guess right or wrong I do feel a right and responsibility from experience that I can compassionantly say, "There there... If you can not do magically what you would like (and several people here wrote it is impossible) there are alternatives to help you become happy and content and at peace with yourself if you are not and it sounds like you are not at least completely".
Transgenderism, rather transexualism is just starting to be medically understood and accepted as a third way so to speak in less than the last maybe 15 years. Before that boys were shipped off to milatary schools for a cure when parents found out. I know one who was given massive amounts of testosterone which ultimatelyu gave him a heart attack from which he died. Not that many years ago little boys who were cought playing dress up were severely punished as in beaten until bruised. My point is if Wild-Fire has this mismatch feeling then it will have to be delt with and ultimately accepted and there is no cure, much to many parents dismay.
By the way Wild-Fire did you know in many cultures not wiped out by Christianity being transgendered/sexual was looked up to? In Qmerican Indians they were marriage counselors because the could understand the husband and wife point of view. It really was not until Judaism/Christianity started not letting people do a lot of things (including witchcraft) did peoples' perceptiions of transexualism occure.
PixieLouise - Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:27 pm
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Hi Fire [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] . Believe me...I wouldn't be going under the knife for nuttin&nobody!!! I won't even have a blood transfusion(&I'm getting uncomfortable at the thought!), it's good to see your seeking answers to what you look upon as a problem, anyway. I would actually look at a sex change as a kind of healing, but I don't believe in the definition of magic most people would give, so it's a bit complex. There is nothing more important than feeling good about yourself in your own skin, and perhaps you need to find that now, before making any changes so you really learn to accept yourself no matter what.
wild-fire - Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:00 pm
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PixieLouise wrote:Hi Fire [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] . Believe me...I wouldn't be going under the knife for nuttin&nobody!!! I won't even have a blood transfusion(&I'm getting uncomfortable at the thought!), it's good to see your seeking answers to what you look upon as a problem, anyway. I would actually look at a sex change as a kind of healing, but I don't believe in the definition of magic most people would give, so it's a bit complex. There is nothing more important than feeling good about yourself in your own skin, and perhaps you need to find that now, before making any changes so you really learn to accept yourself no matter what.
those words you say, atleast most of em are the words of non believers, I did not ask for posts that tell me to accept myself or to believe in myself, if that was what I wanted I certainly would have worded my post differently, what I want is a way to make my body match my gender that is non-surgical, not people telling me it cant be done or is not possible, I am fine with some of the posts that say stuff like " I have not heard of such a thing" because they dont directly say it cant be done. please think before you post, I want help with this and posts such as this one that I quoted are no help at all, and before you think I am just shooting off and tryng to single anybody out there are a few posts that I am not pleased with, thanks for the thought of me being well with myself or that I should accept myself, I have tried to accept myself even seen psycho( I say that because I think they were all alot worse off than I am) therapysts about it
I chose to search for something that I believe exists, and will continue to search till I find it, and believe me I will find it
WF
wild-fire - Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:07 pm
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some of you obviously have alot more faith in mdern medicine then you do magick, truth be that old magick atleast most of it is not practiced anymore, but that does not mean by any ammount that magick cannot do what medicine can, because I know for a fact it can do alot more than medicine, but if most of the old magick was still performed I would bet there would still be such archaic practices as hangings and burnings....on that note, I know what I am looking for is out there, I just need to find it
WF
PixieLouise - Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:16 am
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Well, if you must label and pigeon hole in that way, then you're talking to the wrong person. No, I do not believe that 'magic' can change your, what you call 'gender.' If what you were looking for was a physical SEX change(and solely that alone), then gender is certainly not the word. Gender is everything that surrounds - and goes with sex, not whether your reproductive organs are on the inside or outside of your body.
wild-fire - Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:27 pm
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PixieLouise wrote:Well, if you must label and pigeon hole in that way, then you're talking to the wrong person. No, I do not believe that 'magic' can change your, what you call 'gender.' If what you were looking for was a physical SEX change(and solely that alone), then gender is certainly not the word. Gender is everything that surrounds - and goes with sex, not whether your reproductive organs are on the inside or outside of your body.
I am sorry if I offended, but you act like I asked you directly, I put up an open question hoping that people with the knowlege I wish to aquire would see it.
and yes you are right I worded it wrong it is my outer body including sex that I wish to change.
lets not argue about it OK?
WF
1000ShadesofGrey - Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:06 pm
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Ravin said
Quote:I disagree with some of the above statement. This is not the forum to debate that topic so feel free to pm me. If you can't help Wildfire then perhaps give reassurance rather than a 'there' there' kind of response
Wild-fire said
Quote:some of you obviously have alot more faith in mdern medicine then you do magick, truth be that old magick atleast most of it is not practiced anymore, but that does not mean by any ammount that magick cannot do what medicine can, because I know for a fact it can do alot more than medicine, but if most of the old magick was still performed I would bet there would still be such archaic practices as hangings and burnings....on that note, I know what I am looking for is out there, I just need to find it
I believe that magick can change your sex, and I haven't given a there there answer.
Neither did Dracophoenix. As a matter of fact Dracophoenix was the only person on this forum that told wild-fire what s/he should be looking for, and how and where that spell sould be performed. She said :
Quote:Yes it is possible.
The kind of majik you'd have to use is shape shifting or flesh sculpting majiks in order to change your gender permanently. You'd also need a lot of power and raw energy to pull it off too. You'd need to be somewhere with lots of power and with a very thin veil between the real physical realiy and the spirit plane like Kyoto, New York City etc. to cast the spell to make it easieron the person casting the spell. I lived in NYC and saw some things I haven't seen since anywhere else and that was just for the mundane. The non mundane I was things that still boggle the mind to this day.
There are two main reasons why nobody else gave wild-fire any hint about that spell.
1- Most people - me included - don't know how to perform it.
2- Those who do, know that it can turn terribly wrong, and probably decided that it would be disastrous to give that spell to someone that they don't personally know, just to be sure that the person had the skill to use it without getting hurt. Perhaps you should read carefully www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=816
That stuff can kill.
wild-fire - Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:35 pm
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1000ShadesofGrey wrote:There are two main reasons why nobody else gave wild-fire any hint about that spell.
1- Most people - me included - don't know how to perform it.
2- Those who do, know that it can turn terribly wrong, and probably decided that it would be disastrous to give that spell to someone that they don't personally know, just to be sure that the person had the skill to use it without getting hurt. Perhaps you should read carefully www.occultforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=816
That stuff can kill.
I can tell you partially why noone has given me the answer but you (1000ShadesofGrey)and Dracophoenix.....it is because most of those who answered do not have faith in the magick/magic/majik they talk about, I have alot of faith in it, I have felt and watched myself start to change, but have not been able to get much farther, I think that may be due to the fact that I have not been able to manifest anough raw power to do so....I should have said this in the begining but it is one detail I forgot to mention...I am also well aware that majic/magick as powerful as this can kill...but look at it this way....have you ever wanted something so much that almost any risk seemed worth it?
WF
P.S. Thank you Ravin for having the faith in me that I know you do [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_smile.gif[/img]
1000ShadesofGrey - Fri Jun 20, 2003 2:56 am
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Greetings Wild-Fire
Iâ??ve been thinking about what you wrote, about not being able to get enough raw power to make the spell work.
Well, you can storage the energy for a while ( 3 to 6 months ) until it reaches the maximum desired value.
As you know energy can be stored in paper or water. Although paper makes a better power battery I personally prefer water. When a person wants to use the energy simply drinks the water and does itâ??s best to control the power overload.
Where can you get the energy ? There are two best sources and I would use them both.
1 â?? I would do every day, twice a day, energy exercises ( the Middle Pillar is a good one, but itâ??s up to you to choose ), and all the energy that I could generate I would storage in water or paper.
2 â?? I would get a picture of a place with brutal natural power ( the Iguazu Falls in Brazil are perfect for that. ) and channel and storage every day some of that power.
In case youâ??ll try and search for a picture of the Iguazu Falls itâ??s good to know that in Brazil theyâ??are called Cataratas do Iguaçu.
If you choose to storage the energy in water, remember to never place it near flowing water, because it can loose all of the energy so hardly earned.
Hope this helps
True Power - Sat Aug 09, 2003 8:40 am
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I'm just little curious on two things...First off,how do you know whether you were born the wrong sex or the right sex.Secondly...If I found some other ethod of this Gender Change would it be like changing from a male into a female or vica versa?
wild-fire - Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:03 am
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True Power wrote:I'm just little curious on two things...First off,how do you know whether you were born the wrong sex or the right sex.
its an inner feeling that people just have,you dont know the feeling unless you have it, the first part is you realize something isnt quite right
True Power wrote:Secondly...If I found some other method of this Gender Change would it be like changing from a male into a female or vica versa?thats exactly how it is
Necro - Sat Aug 09, 2003 10:16 am
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Actually I am curious about one thing.
What makes you think changing your physical apperance will make a difference? Getting bits chopped off or added, wont make you into the other sex.
Its your brain, a girls brain is made differently to a boys, and that is one thing you cant change, its a Read Only thing.
Ravin - Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:39 pm
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Perhaps because Wildfires brain is correct and the body is the one needs changing. Read on the topic and talk to transgendered people you'll find they are some of the best peope to know, ironically just like any of us. EDUCATE YOURSELVES!
P.S Hi Wildfire hope you are doing awesome, i'll email you soon!
BB
Ravin
Necro - Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:57 pm
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Ravin, *shakes head* Some one took that question the wrong way. If Wild Fire had the wrong brain then the hormones released would be wrong for their body and they'd be a hermaphrodite. Its imprinted at 3wks from conception(in theory) into your brain.
Ravin - Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:16 pm
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If you wanna look at it that way. I suppose you can , but really only Wildfire knows what is best and satisfying for her, so why not help her if you can. As for hormones again, i know my body is not one big bu8nch of hormones that could or could not be screwed up, wow i took a look i have a soul, and a heart!
BLAH!
Necro - Sat Aug 09, 2003 1:27 pm
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Ravin, You have no idea what it would be like if you have the wrong hormones.
Not only that your perception of self is primarily based on your body. Mind and heart they are important, but you yourself, and how you veiw your place in the world is based in and of how and what you look like. And if you've managed to transend that, and you see yourself as nothing more than a sparkiling ball of thoughts and feeling, your a better person than I. I personally like my body, and myself.
But then again I wanted to be a girl once long ago, so I am asking from that perspective, of wanting to be the other sex. I am asking what would it change?
wild-fire - Sat Aug 09, 2003 4:39 pm
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Necro wrote:Ravin, You have no idea what it would be like if you have the wrong hormones.
Not only that your perception of self is primarily based on your body. Mind and heart they are important, but you yourself, and how you veiw your place in the world is based in and of how and what you look like. And if you've managed to transend that, and you see yourself as nothing more than a sparkiling ball of thoughts and feeling, your a better person than I. I personally like my body, and myself.
But then again I wanted to be a girl once long ago, so I am asking from that perspective, of wanting to be the other sex. I am asking what would it change?
necro your oppinions are primarily one sided and usually taught by catholics(dont know or care if I spelled that right), if you already think you have the answer why bother asking us?
besides, wanting to be a girl and believing you should be one are 2 different things
Ravin - Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:34 pm
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Wildfire.
You rock! I wish i had the courage to go thru and even ask for help for what you are striving to be. You are on my mind alot and i still am thinking about your request. I hope you are doing well.
Blessed Be
Your Friend
T
wild-fire - Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:03 pm
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Necro wrote:Actually I am curious about one thing.
What makes you think changing your physical apperance will make a difference? Getting bits chopped off or added, wont make you into the other sex.
Its your brain, a girls brain is made differently to a boys, and that is one thing you cant change, its a Read Only thing.
BAH!!! bunch of BS,
a girls brain is made differently than a boys brain? what fact are you basing this on cause its simply not true, your hormone levels are based on the genitalia your body happens to have, your brain just regulates them it does not produce them in fact very little is different in a boys or girls brain except that outer influince of hormones, thats it nothing else
wild-fire - Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:06 pm
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oh wait let me correct myself before someone else does, your brain produces very little hormones , they are testosterone and they are produced by your pituitary gland, and they are the same in both boys and girls
Necro - Sat Aug 09, 2003 9:59 pm
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wild-fire, I am saying wanting now, not back then I thought I should have and been and was one. But dont worry about. I just wanted to know what you thought it would change. I am sorry I offended you.
Chaotic - Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:21 am
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Quote:Ravin, You have no idea what it would be like if you have the wrong hormones.
I do i used to go out with someone who could not produce testosterone, they had to ahve shots of it, 2 days after tey were violoent 2 days before they were blitering and balling their eyes out for the violence they did when they had their shots.
Quote:oh wait let me correct myself before someone else does, your brain produces very little hormones , they are testosterone and they are produced by your pituitary gland, and they are the same in both boys and girls
The brain works on the system that it realeases a hormone that triggers the glands to produce other hormones, then these hormones are detected by the brain (which produced the initail chemical marker to produce hormone) and either told to keep producing them or stop producing them. When sufficient of that hormone is released then its production is stopped through this detection creating a negative feedback loop. [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Chaotic
SilverMaxwell - Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:51 am
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They've basically said anything I could tell you...
But I wanted to tell you this..
I believe your a brave person to be so open and I wish you all the luck in the world.
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wild-fire - Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:49 am
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all I was saying is that brains are the same, boys/girls, that is decided by hormones not your brain structure, you say that the brain is read only, thats a bunch of BS take a good look at some information on transexuals and how they change as they take their hormones their brain begins to stop producing the signals for the testes to produce testosterone after a while, then after a short while after that it becomes permanent
trust me the brain isnt read only and never has been
Ravin - Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:27 pm
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Chaotic,
I know some of the guys i date (i am gay) need more than hormones but more like personality transplants! [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I never could dress as a woman and i know i am happy as a guy, i just was born Gay and Wildfire was born in the wrong body, its not a choice, its possibly hormonal (bieing gay that is) and in my opinion genetic. Who knows and who cares, i have never been happier, I just wish i could be 19 again, I am 27 now and i wow life is short. to short to waste being unhappy. Love ya all! Cheers from Canada!
Ravin
Necro - Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:12 am
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http://nz.altavista.com/r?ck_sm=a5e6a35a&ci=4939&av_tc=null&q=gender+brain&rpos=3&rpge=1&rsrc=U&ref=40800020080&uid=4923a520b99758d7&r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencedaily.com%2Freleases%2F1999%2F04%2F990422061106.htm
Quote:This story has been adapted from a news release issued by American Academy Of Neurology.
Gender-Specific Differences Found In Human Brain
Toronto (April 20, 1999) -- Men and women's brains are distinctly different. While men have more neurons in the cerebral cortex, the brain's outer layer, women have more neuropil, which contains the processes allowing cell communication. Research showing these gender-specific differences was presented during the American Academy of Neurology 51st Annual Meeting April 17 -- 24, 1999, in Toronto.
"The cerebral cortex is responsible for voluntary movements, perception of sensory input and of highly complex functions such as memory, learning, reasoning and language," said Gabrielle de Courten-Myers, MD, study author and associate professor of neuropathology at the University of Cincinnati. "Males possess more tightly packed and more numerous nerve cells (neurons) than females. Neurons send and receive electrical signals that influence many functions of the body and create thoughts and feelings. Females tend to have more neuropil, the fibular tissue that fills the space between nerve cell bodies and contains mainly nerve cell processes (synapses, dendrites and axons) that enable neurons to communicate with numerous other nerve cells."
This research may explain previous findings that women are more prone to dementing illnesses than are men. Although a man and woman may lose the same number of neurons due to a disease, such as dementia, the woman's functional loss may be greater because the cells lost are more densely connected with other neurons. Added de Courten-Myers, "Conversely, in males, the 'functional reserve' may be greater as a larger number of nerve cells are present, which could prevent some of the functional losses."
Although these gender-specific variations cause tangible differences in how the brain functions, one type is not "better" or "worse" than the other. Said de Courten-Myers, "It seems reasonable to assume that specific functions may benefit from the presence of more cells while others may be enhanced by a larger number of connections between them. A better understanding of these issues may potentially affect a wide spectrum of human activities such as health care, psychology and teaching."
The researchers measured the cortex thickness and counted nerve cells from various sites within the healthy brains of 17 deceased subjects (10 males and seven females).
"The recognition of gender-specific ways of thinking and feeling -- rendered more credible given these established differences -- could prove beneficial in enhancing interpersonal relationships." Said de Courten-Myers, "However, the interpretation of the data also has the potential for abuse and harm if either gender would seek to construct evidence for superiority of the male or female brain from these findings."
The American Academy of Neurology, an association of more than 15,000 neurologists and neuroscience professionals, is dedicated to improving patient care through education and research.
Necro - Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:14 am
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http://nz.altavista.com/r?ck_sm=68379b42&rpos=2&rpge=1&rsrc=R&ref=40800020080&uid=6adb658dd9de1192&r=http%3A%2F%2Fapu.sfn.org%2Fcontent%2FPublications%2FBrainBriefings%2Fgender.brain.html
Quote:Gender and the Brain
You've heard the saying more than once. "Men are from mars, women are from venus." It's always been obvious that differences exist between men and women. The theory that brains differ, however, was not so clear. Now research is confirming that the brains of men and women are subtly different. The findings could lead to sex-specific alterations in treatments for diseases such as depression.
You don't have to be a Nobel laureate to figure out that women and men are different from each other. It's well known that humans have gender-specific characteristics, including female and male reproductive organs. But what about the organ that controls all body activities ranging from breathing to emotion? Could female brains differ from male brains? The idea has been debated for years.
Now accumulating research, which includes human psychological and physical imaging studies, shows that there are indeed subtle brain differences between the sexes.
The research, conducted by female and male scientists, is leading to:
A better understanding of gender.
Possible alterations in the details of certain treatments.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s scientists found the first clear evidence that brain differences exist, in rodents at least. One study showed differences in nerve cell body size in an area of the brain known as the hypothalamus, which is important for feeding, drinking and reproduction. Another examination of areas in the hypothalamus showed that the structure of certain connections differed between male and female rats. These connections, called synapses, are the sites where nerve cells transmit messages. The scientists also found differences in the number of connections.
Since that time, researchers have discovered a number of differences in humans and other species. Many of these findings go beyond reproduction. For example, studies show that human male brains are, on average, approximately 10 percent larger than female brains. Certain brain areas in women, however, contain more nerve cells.
At this point, researchers do not know how the structural differences influence brain function. It's possible that male and female brains work at a similar capacity but process information differently. For example, one study shows that men and women perform equally well in a test that asks subjects to read a list of nonsense words and determine if they rhyme. Yet, imaging results found that women use areas on the right and left sides of the brain, while men only use areas on the left side to complete the test.
Other research suggests that, on average, the female brain performs better on some skills while the male brain executes other tasks at a higher level. For example, tests show that women generally can recall lists of words or paragraphs of text better than men. On the other hand, men usually perform better on tests that require the ability to mentally rotate an image in order to solve a problem. Mental rotation is thought to help people find their way, according to researchers. Does that leave the majority of women lost? Obviously not. Scientists believe that women may rely on their memory advantage and recall landmarks to find a destination.
It makes sense that brains vary between the sexes, according to some researchers. In ancient times, each sex had a very defined role that helped ensure the survival of the species. Cave men hunted. Cave women gathered food near the home and cared for the children. Brain areas may have been sharpened to enable each sex to carry out their job.
Today, the research on brain differences could protect survival by improving treatments for a variety of disorders.
An example of how insights could lead to refined patient care is illustrated by a recent imaging study. The research shows, on average, that women synthesize the chemical serotonin at a lower level than men. Currently serotonin is a popular drug target because it has been implicated in a number of diseases, including depression. Scientists may be able to expand the synthesis finding and develop customized treatments. The research also could help improve the evaluation of therapies.
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Necro - Mon Aug 11, 2003 1:17 am
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Now please dont tell me 'its all hormones', I do know what I am going on about, and just saying 'no its not' without actually finding out is enforcing ignorance.
Chaotic - Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:17 am
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Necro> please dont post slabs of text even if it is sited and to proove a point, just put in the link....
Ravin> i know where your coming from, some guys do need personality transplants, but the drugs were the thigs afecting this particular individual, it was like clockwork, and revolved around the dhots, not the outside influences of the world.
Chaotic
wild-fire - Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:16 am
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first > a question for you Necro, how old were you when you wanted to/believed you shoulda been a girl? a small fact your not looking into is that most girls and boys want to be the opposite sex for a short period of time, with some that isnt just want and the feeling doesnt go away....but tell us, when did you have this feeling?
second > Necro, please revise your 2 posts with all the article text and leave only the links, this takes up too much space on the boards and was not nesicary, your quoting scientific garbage, and it proves nothing as science has yet to prove anything in gays and trangendered people, we dont need that here, just the links will do thanks
PCP - Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:51 am
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excuse me? scientific garbage? it says here that there is a tangible difference between male and female brains. just what exactly makes you call it garbage when somebody backs up his point once in a while?
wild-fire - Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:30 am
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because thats exactly what it is, that article is not proof of anything not one bit, because those studies were done on male and female brains, not transexuals,not gays, not lesbians, besides if you believe in science so much(which I tend not to believe because it contradicts itself too much) what are you doing here on this forum?
think about this, dont use science to answer it...what happens to the male brain if female hormones are intrduced long enough? or better yet the female brain if male hormones are introduced long enough? if you answered nothing your quite wrong...the male brain on female hormones will begin to act like a female brain...the female brain will act like a male brain....this is the fact that proves that hormones are the catalyst... no science has proven otherwize either
Necro - Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:11 pm
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wild-fire wrote:because thats exactly what it is, that article is not proof of anything not one bit, because those studies were done on male and female brains, not transexuals,not gays, not lesbians, besides if you believe in science so much(which I tend not to believe because it contradicts itself too much) what are you doing here on this forum?
So your saying that Gays, lesbians and transexuals are a different species? You not human so you have different brains? That's a first, and I also dont agree.
As to Science, so what? They know stuff, just becuase they dont know everything, doesn't mean much.
As to how long 8yrs, I wanted to be a girl. When I realised all the money in the world wouldn't make me one, I accepted it, I made peace with myself and the feeling went away.
wild-fire - Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:40 pm
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thing is, I tried to accept it, its been more than 24 years since this feeling started, also I am not talking about changing by medical science here I am looking for a way with magick
but I also dissagree with you that the brain is read only, and nothing you can say or do will make me believe it, my body does not match and thats it
Necro - Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:03 pm
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wild-fire, *shrugs* I never said there was anything wrong with it, I just dont think it'll change anything. Any gender change you make whether it be science or magick will be cosmetic. I am different from you chromosones up. We're talking chain reactions and chaos theory here, the Nature of my body is different than that of a girls. And that you cant change.
wild-fire - Mon Aug 11, 2003 11:44 pm
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Necro wrote:wild-fire, *shrugs* I never said there was anything wrong with it, I just dont think it'll change anything. Any gender change you make whether it be science or magick will be cosmetic. I am different from you chromosones up. We're talking chain reactions and chaos theory here, the Nature of my body is different than that of a girls. And that you cant change.
if you dont think it wrong then why argue the point?, I am a transexual individual, I have tried again and again for the past 24 years to live as the gender I was born, I almost ended up killing myself because of it, as for what it will change, if it makes someone feel better about themselves then it changes everything doesnt it?
Chaotic - Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:28 am
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Ooh-kay, im gonna step in as the mediator guy here and ask that you all calm down a bit, we seem to be getting rapidly off topic and its degrading what was once a good thread, Boith wild-fire and necro we can see your points and thank you for them, please now stop bickering.
Any more usefull info would be appeaciated, please stay on topic though [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Chaotic
wild-fire - Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:12 am
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Chaotic wrote:Ooh-kay, im gonna step in as the mediator guy here and ask that you all calm down a bit, we seem to be getting rapidly off topic and its degrading what was once a good thread, Boith wild-fire and necro we can see your points and thank you for them, please now stop bickering.
Any more usefull info would be appeaciated, please stay on topic though [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Chaotic
sorry bout that, I came here for answers not to argue, I should not have let him get to me
Necro - Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:42 pm
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Chaotic, Alright after this post, I will cease posting in this thread, I just want to dignify wild-fire with an answer,
Wild Fire, I wasn't trying to say it was wrong. I hold a different opinion, thats it. People are entitled to the Heavens and Hels they create for themselves, I dont have to live in them. But I wanted to understand your perspective, and in return I was showing you mine. I never once said it was wrong, or called you names, so I am sorry that it ended up with you feeling I was trying to get at you.
Aerli - Tue Aug 12, 2003 10:40 pm
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Hi Wild Fire. I am a male to female transsexual and although I have been going the mundane route, I've been searching for magickal ways to go about this as well.
One thing I have found is that visualization definitely aids in the transformation. The hormone therapy and the electolysis and everything else accounts for some of my transformation but visualization seems to add something more to the mix. I suspect that with enough power, the results of the visulization would be even more dramatic.
What I do is an exercise that charges my chakras. I then visulize the woman I feel that I am becoming and I try to feel myself changing into that form.
As for science, there is research that shows actual brain differences in transsexuals.
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm
Aerli [img]file:///G:/OF/View%20topic%20-%20permanent%20gender%20change%20with%20magick%20-%20OccultForums_com_pliki/icon_smile.gif[/img]
wild-fire - Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:07 am
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thank you very much for that Aerli I appreciate it
HunterKiller - Tue Aug 19, 2003 12:30 am
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Renée wrote:...if you belioeve in reincarnation realize your spirit chose your body for some reason and perhaps in the next life things will match...
A bit off topic, but what if you were done long ago but got dragged back by someones lust for power? ...then only to be cast out and have no purpose when you proove to be uncontrolable. I feel like I'm drifting, and don't feel like I belong here anymore the world has changed.
wild-fire - Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:13 am
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HunterKiller wrote:
A bit off topic, but what if you were done long ago but got dragged back by someones lust for power? ...then only to be cast out and have no purpose when you proove to be uncontrolable. I feel like I'm drifting, and don't feel like I belong here anymore the world has changed.
am I the only one he lost with that one?
Chaotic - Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:29 am
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Im thinking its a self important i am the chosen one thing.
My opinion though.
Chaotic
1000ShadesofGrey - Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:34 am
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wild-fire wrote:HunterKiller wrote:
A bit off topic, but what if you were done long ago but got dragged back by someones lust for power? ...then only to be cast out and have no purpose when you proove to be uncontrolable. I feel like I'm drifting, and don't feel like I belong here anymore the world has changed.
am I the only one he lost with that one?
Let me see...
I suppose ( and I'm sorry, if I've understood it wrong ) that what HK is saying is that your soul could have been dragged by someone/thing and placed inside that body to fulfill some hidden agenda. If you somehow failled to act accordingly to her/his/their/its design s/he/it would probably kill you.
It's an interesting teory, but only you can say if it has any truth about it. Do you feel that your life has been like a magick binding/curse/obstacle placed on someone else's life ?
wild-fire - Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:48 am
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no not really, but then I never thought about it either, what do I do if he is right?
HunterKiller - Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:00 pm
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Self important....... <_<
consider this ... power is many things, it need not be strength, or money. Mine is the mind and quick reflexes. I have never been threatened with my life, however I am smarter and more dangerous than he. I doubt he is that stupid, but I am talked down to and pushed in directions I'd rather not go.
Sorry to hijack the thread, I was just depressed last night .... the very least I can always leave as soon as school is done and never look back. ^_^
Edit, wild-fire if you feel like you have the wrong type of body why not just sw