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Original post: Always Lost

Okay I was reading some threads on the astral projection...etc... forum. And they mentioned astral sex, but from the little gnostic reading Ive done I thought you had to let go of desires of the flesh?
And I read some posts that referred to astral attacks what is the gnostic views on this?

Is astral or obe even a belief in gnosticism? Like I said I havnt done alot of reading on gnostic most of it is from gnosis-usa.com.
And thank you for any knowledge you give me.

Original post: Space Debris

The gnosis-usa site promotes the teachings of a certain Samael Aun Weor, whose followers call themselves "gnostics," but who really have little connection to the kind of historical Gnostics that are the focus of this forum. Indeed, just the name the guy chose for himself reveals his ignorance of even the basic terminology of the historical Gnostics. As far as I've looked into their websites, practically nothing they say really has much bearing on traditional Gnosticism, including their emphasis on "astral" activities. The stickied "Reading List" and "What is Gnosticism" threads on this forum are a place to look for some introductory info.

Original post: Ra-Razal

I think Samael(hah, just look at that lack of sex in his face) gives partly fallen material. He is so obsessed with sex that he practically castrated himself psychologically. Even Crowley talks about suiting with the wrong Binah, but this man goes way over board in my opinion. If he wants to go his whole life without blowin a load, fine. But I don't think it's very practical, and what we need is practical gnosis. As far as I know, Gnostics of old were actually similar, in that they were celebate. Samael just goes on to say that without white tantra, you're blaspheming the Holy Spirit with sex. He even refers to it as "filthy".

I do however think that he does give a lot of good points, and his material is worth a read. One should just be able to seperate the seed from the husk.

You might not understand the differences between the desires of your flesh, and the desire of your spirit to reunite. Different mental forms of sex do different things to you psychologically, and I think this is what Samael was trying to convey, but he has an imbalance of severity(which is Samael, hah). I know there are some mental programs you can unknowingly run which parallel Samael(serpent) injecting filth into eve --(bad), but as long as you keep your thoughts pure from malignant lust, I don't see what good denial will bring.

I feel like I just went off on a rant, but I spent too much time typing it so now you must read it!

Original post: SquirleyWurley

I'll second the comment that Samael Weor is ignorant of ancient classic Gnostic teaching, and largely irrelevant to it.

It is possible to explore various forms of Tantra as a Gnostic, and there are concerns about transcending the Astral (Cosmic/Psychic) level so that one isn't trapped/bound/confused/hindered, but Weor promoted his own notions that he developed on his own, and others based in his teachings (Beelzebub, etc.) are smilarly promoting SOMETHING ELSE.

I personally would not recommend anything connected to Samael Weor or Beelzebub, etc.

It is possible to understand better the nature of your own body and psyche, by exploring sacred sex, or by abstinence, and this can play a part in personal insight and understanding that paves the way for developing some measure of Gnosis. Through the years I've certainly experimented and explored many paths and teachings, many of which played a significant role in my spiritual growth.

Astral/Psychic attack is an issue because or psyche is vulnerable to the guilts and control programming of religion and society, and the rationalizations/excuses of our instincts and body's cravings, and when one opens up to the 'Astral plane' etc., one's development of character and personal insight re: one's own psyche, can be crucial in avoiding various traps that lie in such realms.

After one has sufficient self-knowledge and character development, it becomes easier to bypass such difficulties and directly connect spiritually, at a level beyond the astral/psychic level.

Original post: Always Lost

So astral plane is our psychy? And ya After reading the forums there I delted the site from my favorites.

Original post: hayabusa

I think Samael(hah, just look at that lack of sex in his face)

Now, I know Samael mean "blind god" but I think in this guys case it should mean "ugly dog". He screams "I need to get laid!" without saying a word.

Original post: SquirleyWurley

When I took a look at Weor's stuff at first, some of it looked ok, and then I hit some humdingers that made warning flags go up, and in the forums it seemed the attitude was a bit unhealthy, I don't know what kind of group and meditation centers some of his followers (Beelzebub) have, but it is their own thing, and warning flags went off. One thing I read was rather obsessive about doing Tantric sex magick without ejaculation. The way people addressed questions on forums was always 'go sign up for the class that's the best way, I could tell you but you wouldn't understand as well, it's better to do the course'... so that sounded to me like what any old cult does to sidestep a clear representation of what they are about and get you into manipulative mind-space. I hope I'm wrong on that, because there are lots of people into that stuff, and I don't wish them any harm. But it's a concern I have, a bit troubling.

Re: Psyche

The Greek word psyche means soul, life/animation, and implies also what we'd call psyche or personality, including the unconscious and ego.

The hidden world of power/rulership/forces of fate behind the veil of this world, but below the spiritual realms, was associated with the psyche, called the psychic realm. A realm of the soul/souls, as contrasted with the realms of spirit that are beyond/above.

Most of the time, the term 'Astral Plane' conveys this idea well enough to people today, but some of what people think is in a 'Mental' or 'Intuitive' plane is really rather psychic in my view, and I'd consider it simply upper Astral/psychic in that sense.