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Original post: deviadah

In the Gospel of Philip it says:
"Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing."


To resurrect while still alive is to achieve the transmutation from lead into gold (in alchemical terms). I see here the clearest link between alchemy and gnosticism. Their unity has been questioned and agreed upon many times...

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I do agree with you that there appears to be some link between alchemy and gnosticism, but there appears to be a link between alchemy and many other traditions of old.

I'm sure this is because alchemy tends to draw its knowledge and teachings from various ancient traditions.

These are a few sayings from the Gospel of Thomas that indicate a link of some sort.

From the Gospel of Thomas:
18. The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom."

They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
106. Jesus said, "When you make the two into one, you will become children of Adam, and when you say, 'Mountain, move from here!' it will move."

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I would also like to add these from the Hermetic Arcanum:
49. Some have sought for the latent Philosophical earth by Calcination, others by Sublimation; many among glass, and some few between vitriol and salt, even as among their natural vessels; others enjoin you to sublime it out of lime and glass. But we have learned of the Prophet that "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth, and the Earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the Deep, and the spirit of God moved upon the Waters, and God said, Let there be Light, and there was Light; and God saw the Light that it was good, and he divided the light from the darkness, etc." Joseph's blessing spoken of by the same Prophet will be sufficient to a wise man. "Blessed of the Lord be his Land, for the Apples of Heaven, for the dew, and for the Deep that liveth Beneath: for the Apples of fruit both of sun and moon, for the top of the ancient mountains, for the Apples of the everlasting hills, etc.," pray the Lord from the bottom of thy heart (my son) that he would bestow upon Thee a portion of this blessed earth.
73. The generation of the Stone is made after the pattern of the Creation of the World; for it is necessary, that it have its Chaos and First matter, wherein the confused Elements do fluctuate, until they be separated by the fiery Spirit; they being separated, the Light Elements are carried upwards, and the heavy ones downwards: the light arising, darkness retreats: the waters are gathered into one place and the dry land appears. At length the two great Luminaries arise, and mineral, vegetable and animal are produced in the Philosophers' Earth.
This backs up my statement earlier that alchemy draws its knowledge and teachings from various ancient traditions.

At any rate, this is a rather long post, but as always - make of it what ye will.

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[QUOTE=BeautifulEvil;289200]I'm sure this is because alchemy tends to draw its knowledge and teachings from various ancient traditions.[/QUOTE]
To be picky I reckon that these other traditions draw their knowledge from alchemy. After all there are alchemical documents thousands of years old, thousands of years BC that is!

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Yeah, it links with a lot of things. But I see a real brother, or sister, in Gnosticism. I dare even call it the Religion of Alchemy! :cool:

Nice quotes. I also like:

[QUOTE]â??For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered.â?Â

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To be picky I reckon that these other traditions draw their knowledge from alchemy. After all there are alchemical documents thousands of years old, thousands of years BC that is!
That's rather interesting, and I guess I was under the assumption that alchemy was approximately 2,000 - 2,500 years old. Can you give me a few examples of ancient alchemical documents? I would be interested in reading those texts, and perhaps I've already read a few but I've been unaware that they are THAT old.

Meh, I really don't study the history of traditions as much as I should.

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Ebers Papyrus is about 3500+ years old. Although not purely alchemical it does fall in that category. It talks about Thoth, and he is Hermes First born... or so they say.

Then of course there is the Emerald Tablet, but that is impossible to date... although my bet it is of antediluvian origin. But really there is no proof!

Some say it was on display by Alexander the Great in Alexandria over 2000 years ago and already then an esteemed tablet, which much mean it is of a much older origin.


[quote]"Some believe the papyrus to be a copy of the even more ancient books of Thoth (3000BC), reputed father of medicine, pharmacy and alchemy. It is now in the University of Leipzig library." Quote from HERE[/quote][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=BeautifulEvil;289200]This backs up my statement earlier that alchemy draws its knowledge and teachings from various ancient traditions.[/QUOTE]
Sure does... it's all a mismash and quite impossible to sort out. But if someone asked me what came first; Adam/Eve or Hermes I must reply the latter.

There can be no right or wrong in this though, only opinions. And hopefully we all come out wiser on the other side.

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[QUOTE=deviadah;289207]Ebers Papyrus is about 3500+ years old. Although not purely alchemical it does fall in that category. It talks about Thoth, and he is Hermes First born... or so they say.
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I remember watching a history channel documentary about the Egyptians and it mentioned that text! Unfortunately as always, they demonized and mocked it.

I guess we can trace Alchemy back to the ancient Egyptians, and even then it might pre-date the Egyptians and come from a long lost civilization. There has been some talk for the past few years that the Egyptians civilization were actually remnants of an ancient long lost civilization. I would say that the alchemical tradition started slightly after the global disaster that happened 13,000-12,000 BC, or perhaps Alchemy it pre-dates that! Who knows really, trying to trace this stuff back in time is basically useless - since we don't have any real evidence. It's all an educated guess.

[QUOTE=deviadah;289207]
Some say it was on display by Alexander the Great in Alexandria over 2000 years ago and already then an esteemed tablet, which much mean it is of a much older origin.
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I remember reading that Alexander the Great was a master alchemist. Whether this is true or not is unknown.

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[QUOTE=BeautifulEvil;289219]...the Egyptians civilization were actually remnants of an ancient long lost civilization. I would say that the alchemical tradition started slightly after the global disaster that happened 13,000-12,000 BC...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is what the whole Atlantis thing is about!

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[QUOTE=deviadah;289221]Yeah, that is what the whole Atlantis thing is about! [/QUOTE]

Well I will say I believe this is where the myth of Atlantis came from.

However, there have been many lost/destroyed civilizations that claim the title of Atlantis.

Maybe it's me, but I really dislike all this "Atlantis" and "Lemuria" talk that's been going around lately. It's almost impossible to say whether a lost civilization was the REAL Atlantis or not.

Sorry, I'm straying from the topic of the original post.

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Go HERE if you want to get into an Atlantis thread (but beware some dude/gal has posted some pretty long ramblings there... still you could maybe add your touch.

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alchemy, hermeticism, gnosticism.....they all percolated as very close neighbors,
in the nag hammadhi their are actually a few hermetic texts intermixed with the gnostic ...and its no stretch that kaballa was influenced by alchemy in some way as well. of course alchemists tend to be hermeticists and hermeticism is ALL about tracing the syncronicitys back to sumeria and way before?

of course to any occultist worth his salt and beyond neophyte statis this all should be old news..but i felt like putting it out their anyway. :P

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Yeah frater luciferi I agree with you i.e. this thread!

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