Necro Working

[Vissago777]

I am new to this site so I have no idea how to post under specific topics, I have a quick question in regards to the Simon version of the Necronomicon, specifically the substitution of tools and weather anyone has successfully gone through this system without adhering strictly to the rules of creating the proper ritual weapons or weather everyone who is a serious student of this path slavishly and strictly creates their tools as set forth in the book. I am not a very good artist and do not have a lot of money right now due to my book store getting the harsh results of a bad economy. I am interested in this system and have always wanted to try the gate walking but am not really willing to spend the money right now on the metals required in the book. Any advice or suggestions in these matters would be greatly appreciated, thanks everyone for your time and consideration.

[grayblue]

Yes you need the correct materials. If you don't have them it won't work more than likely. Worst case is these entities will view you as an annoyance. These are some very strong old powers, they exist on a higher plane and are of higher intelligence. I would also suggest if you have a tattoo or piercing to cover it for the ritual. Older entities will appreciate this. Just like old people in a way. I personally have never done this, and have no interest in ever attempting it. However I've met one who has.

It probably will cost you a bit either way. The cheapest place to get the materials is at a metal smith supply shop. Look up silver, copper, and gold sheet metal. Then you will have yourself a tablet. Hope that helps.

[reptilian]

In my experience, though Simon's book is basically a pseudo-grimoire based on HP Lovecraft, and therefore without historical value, it is a good magical system for those with the skill. And the only tools that are EVER needed for magic are the ones that you think you need. Specific metals are not required, nor are any other paraphernalia unless it helps YOU personally.
I recently went from being a no-tools-whatsoever magician to practicing hoodoo because I wanted to experiment with tools and materials and because sometimes ingredients help to understand the essence of the magic that you're working, but I still find that they aren't necessary so much as fun.

[Vissago777]

thanks for the info guys, I have heard a lot about this system and its unlike any other I have seen. I definitely feel the power in the words when I recite the incantations in the book. It has a certain power that activates immediately, at least it did for me. It prompted me to investigate further and that is why I posed this question. I have been through other systems but they were not as strict as what is set fourth in this book. Just wondering if I could substitute some materials. Anyone out there who has gone through this system or who has at least experimented with it without adhering strictly to the book id like to hear what the outcome was. Thanks again!!

[yyxx]

Strangely I stumbled upon the same book and bought it a few days ago. I have not tried a single thing in it - probably won't. I want to try make sense of what is behind all of it.

On a related but slightly unrelated note:
I was reading through the book 3 nights ago - it was raining and there was a lot of thunder and lightning. I went to sleep. Ancient nature spirits (I can only think of them as thunder and lightning spirits - spirits that have seen many MANY ages on earth. Spirits possessing vast wisdom - hence their activities ) came to me through the clouds and imparted what I can only think of as important information. One thing they 'said' to me was that just through reading what was in that book I opened a part of this body's perception so that they could more clearly communicate with me.
This could mean that the way this brain interprets and translates things was altered by the book in some way - in much the same way a ham sandwich would change your reality: depends on how it tastes to you. Might not have the same effect on others. Or it may be there are hidden keys in the actual book. I lean towards the first possibility as this fits better with my mind right now - makes me more assured of the reality I like to entertain [crazy] although, in truth, I can in no way deny the second possibility.
There was other info but some of it is hazy and some of it I think is beyond human consciousness. They showed me a lot of destruction that will come upon humanity. I plan to communicate directly and intentionally with these beings when next the skies are ripped open.

The existence of the Necronomicon makes me think many many many things. Primarily the wholly fictional basis for everything that we experience and believe. I think its effectiveness (as vouched for by many others) is testament to this (unless of course it truly was written down by the Mad Arab a few hundred years ago, in which case this point is rendered slightly invalid [grr] ).

[Vissago777]

In my experience, though Simon's book is basically a pseudo-grimoire based on HP Lovecraft, and therefore without historical value, it is a good magical system for those with the skill. And the only tools that are EVER needed for magic are the ones that you think you need. Specific metals are not required, nor are any other paraphernalia unless it helps YOU personally.
I recently went from being a no-tools-whatsoever magician to practicing hoodoo because I wanted to experiment with tools and materials and because sometimes ingredients help to understand the essence of the magic that you're working, but I still find that they aren't necessary so much as fun.

I understand where your belief comes from about the book being based on the imaginative writings of HP Lovecraft, but lets not forget that the imagination holds a certain reality in itself. "The imagination, inspired by its divine creator, is one of the most powerful forces in the universe" Just because it stemmed from his own imagination does not mean it had no correlation with some portion of the subconscious brain. It may mean quite the opposite, but I suppose I wont know until I try it for myself. I just don't want any negative backlash that might occur due to my sloppy approach to walking the gates. This system appears to me to be one that you best be careful with, so I don't know, I would really like to hear from someone who has passed at least some of the gates without all the materials, if I never hear back from anyone, I guess ill proceed with adhering strictly to the guidelines. Thanks again!!

[reptilian]

The reason I said what I said was not to invalidate the work, but to invalidate the claim that there are "ancient entities" connected to it or that you could "piss them off". You can do magic with anything, or without anything. You don't have to follow the rules of the system unless it feels right for you. The Necronomicon works, but not because it's "real" or "fiction" or anything, but because if you have the belief, will and energy, you can use it.

It upsets me when people make claims about backlash, authenticity and things of that nature because those things are stated as fact when, in reality, they only exist in so far as you believe in them. You should feel free to make fun of the entities presented in the Necronomicon, or show them the deepest reverence, whatever your style is. Rigid rules are only necessary for those who want to use them.

That's a big part of chaos magic, and since that's the forum you posted in, I assumed, perhaps falsely, that you came from that occult background.

[Vissago777]

The reason I said what I said was not to invalidate the work, but to invalidate the claim that there are "ancient entities" connected to it or that you could "piss them off". You can do magic with anything, or without anything. You don't have to follow the rules of the system unless it feels right for you. The Necronomicon works, but not because it's "real" or "fiction" or anything, but because if you have the belief, will and energy, you can use it.

It upsets me when people make claims about backlash, authenticity and things of that nature because those things are stated as fact when, in reality, they only exist in so far as you believe in them. You should feel free to make fun of the entities presented in the Necronomicon, or show them the deepest reverence, whatever your style is. Rigid rules are only necessary for those who want to use them.

That's a big part of chaos magic, and since that's the forum you posted in, I assumed, perhaps falsely, that you came from that occult background.

Thanks for your reply, No I have never practiced chaos magick really, I have a background in Wicca and CM. I think your right about the materials not being required, the illustrated goetia by Crowley for example states that most of the Sigils and preliminary work from the original book is more or less a "blind", so that your deterred from attempting to work with the system. I would assume its the same for the Necro. If you don't mind my asking, What systems if any have you completed?

[reptilian]

I would never claim to have "completed" any system, especially since I tend to shy away from some of the more established occult practices and have never been "initiated" in any way. Though, if my skin weren't white (though ethnically, I'm not white XD), I would jump at the chance of being initiated into vodoun.

What I can say is that I have practiced chaos magic for about.. 16 years, dream walking and magic of that nature for about 5 years, dabbled in Wicca briefly in high school, practiced but never achieved results in divination for about 3 years, and in the last six months I've started learning about and practicing hoodoo with mixed results.
I do own a copy of the Necronomicon and I have had a few minor experiences when using it (note: I did not follow the rules, just copied a few seals and sigils and used my own warped versions of some of the incantations) but I would not claim to be an expert on it.

For me, magic is very free form by nature, so rituals, rules, tools are all mainly for fun, or to achieve a very heightened level of focus when necessary. For most of my magical practices, those things merely serve to get in my way.