Creation {long read}

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Original post: GeNoCyDe

Any of this sound familliar former Xtians?lol







The History of Creation - A

From: http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/create.htm

THE BOOK OF KNOWING THE EVOLUTIONS OF RA, AND OF OVERTHROWING APEP. [These are] the; words which the god Neb-er-tcher spake after he had, come into being:-

"I am he who came into being in the form of the god Khepera, and I am the creator of that which came into being, that is to say, I am the creator of everything which came into being: now the things which I created, and which came forth out of my month after that I had come into being myself were exceedingly many. The sky (or heaven) had not come into being, the earth did not (exist, and the children of the earth, and the creeping, things, had not been made at that time. I myself raised them up from out of Nu, from a state of helpless inertness.

I found no place whereon I could stand. I worked a charm upon my Own heart (or, will), I laid the foundation [of things] by Maat, and I made everything which had form. I was [then] one by myself, for I had not emitted from myself the god Shu, and I had not spit out from myself the goddess Tefnut; and there existed no other who could work with me. I laid the foundations [of things] in my own heart, and there came into being multitudes of created things, which canie into being from the created things which were born from the created things which arose from what they brought forth.

I had union with my closed hand, and I embraced my shadow as a wife, and I poured seed into my own mouth, and I sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods Shu and Tefnut. Saith my father Nu:-My Eye was covered up behind them (i.e., Shu. and Tefnut), but after two hen periods had passed from the time when they departed from me, from being one god I ,became three gods, and I came into being in the earth. Then Shu and Tefnut rejoiced from out of the inert watery mass wherein they I were, and they brought to me my Eye (i.e., the Sun). Now after these things I gathered together my members, and I wept over them, and men and women sprang into being from the tears which came forth from my Eye.

And when my Eye came to me, and found that I had made another [Eye] in place where it was (i.e., the Moon), it was wroth with (or, raged at) me, whereupon I endowed it (i.e., the (second Eye) with [some of] the splendour which I had made for the first [Eye], and I made it to occupy its place in my Face, and henceforth it ruled throughout all this earth.

When there fell on them their moment through plant-like clouds, I restored what had been taken away from them, and I appeared from out of the plant-like clouds. I created creeping things of every kind, and everything which came into being from them. Shu and Tefnut brought forth [Seb and] Nut; and Seb and Nut brought forth Osiris, and Heru-khent-an-maati, and Set, and Isis, and Nephtbys at one birth, one after the other, and they produced their multitudinous offspring in this earth."

The History of Creation - B

THE BOOK OF KNOWING THE EVOLUTIONS OF RA, AND OF OVERTHROWING APEP.

[These are] the words of the god Neb-er-tcher, who said: "I am the creator of what hath come into being, and I myself came into being under the form of the god Khepera, and I came into being in primeval time. I came into being in the form of Khepera, and I am the creator of what did come into being, that is to say, I formed myself out of the primeval matter, and I made and formed myself out of the substance which existed in primeval time. My name is AUSARES (i.e., Osiris), who is the primeval matter of primeval matter.

I have done my will in everything in this earth. I have spread myself abroad therein, and I have made strong my hand. I was ONE by myself, for they (i.e., the gods) had not been brought forth, and I had emitted from myself neither Shu nor Tefnut. I brought my own name into my mouth as a word of power, and I forthwith came into being under the form of things which are and under the form of Khepera. I came into being from out of primeval matter, and from the beginning I appeared under the form of the multitudinous things which exist; nothing whatsoever existed at that time in this earth, and it was I who made whatsoever was made.

I was ONE: by myself, and there was no other being who worked with me in that place. I made all the things under the forms of which I appeared then by means of the Soul-God which I raised into firmness at that time from out of Nu, from a state of inactivity. I found no place whatsoever there whereon I could stand, I worked by the power of a spell by means of my heart, I laid a foundation [for things] before me, and whatsoever was made, I made.

I was ONE by myself, and I laid the foundation of things [by means of] my heart, and I made the other things which came into being, and the things of Khepera which were made were manifold, and their offspring came into existence from the things to which they gave birth. I it was who emitted Shu, and I it was who emitted Tefnut, and from being the ONE, god (or, the only god) I became three gods; the two other gods who came into being on this earth sprang from me, and Shu and Tefnut rejoiced (or, were raised up) from out of Nu in which they were. Now behold, they brought my Eye to me after two hen periods since the time when they went forth from me.

I gathered together my members (which had appeared in my own body, and afterwards I had union with my hand, and my heart (or, will) came unto me from out of my hand, and the seed fell into my mouth, and I emitted from myself the gods Shu and Tefnut, and so from being the ONE god (or, the only, god) I became three gods; thus the two other gods who came into being on this earth sprang from ,me, and Shu and Tefnut rejoiced (or, were raised up) from out of Nu in which they were.

My father Nu saith:-They covered up (or, concealed) my Eye with the plant-like clouds which were behind them (i.e., Shu and Tefnut) for very many hen periods. Plants and creeping things [sprang up] from the god REM, through the tears which I let fall. I cried out to my Eye, and men and women came into existence.

Then I bestowed upon my Eye the uraeus of fire, and it was wroth with me when another Eye (i.e., the Moon) came and grew up in its place; its vigorous power fell on the plants, on the plants which I had placed there, and it set order among them, and it took up its place in my face, and it doth rule the whole earth.

Then Shu and Tefnut brought forth Osiris, and Heru-khenti-An-maa, and Set, and Isis, and Nephthys and behold, they have produced offspring, and have created multitudinous children in this earth, by means of the beings which came into existence from the creatures which they produced. They invoke my name, and they overthrow their enemies, and they make words of power for the overthrowing of Apep, over whose hands and arms AKER keepeth ward. His hands and arms shall not exist, his feet and leas shall not exist, and he is chained in one place whilst Ra inflicts upon him the blows which are decreed for him. He is thrown upon his accursed back, his face is slit open by reason of the evil which he hath done, and he shall remain upon his accursed back."

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Original post: SAQOA

...............is it.......?

man, im messed up

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Original post: nebhotep

hi
if you are implying that elements of christianity have evolved from Kemeticism it is a fir point and evidence is beginning to emerge to suggest that. the earliest church may have been found in or near egypt. also important christian dates seem to fit in with Egyptian festivals. still there is much work to be done before we can prove this.

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Original post: PaulS

There are similarities between (spelled COPY) the Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian and Egyptian creation myths. When you look at them it is easy to see that there was a lot of borrowed information between them and the Christian myths of creation. The biggest difference is that the earliest of these creation myths are mythology and the Christian myth is assumed by some as factual. Oh well, I like them as myths better than facts - fewer contradictions that way.

PaulS

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Original post: GeNoCyDe

Anyone notice all"myths"from around 7000 years ago are strikeingly similar?

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Original post: PaulS

I suppose my first reaction was; "Why shouldn't they be similar?" but I really want to delve into the reasons they are so alike in so many of their points.
Mankind needs to have things defined for themselves. Mysteries frustrate us more than almost anything else. We look to the nigt skies and wonder about the stars, we look to the oceans and wonder about the life there and we look into ourselves and wonder about why we are here and where we came from. It is likely that the myths formed as a way to put meaning to those things that were not, and could not be, understood through facts and knowledge. That would be similar for every culture with the same seasonal progressions. We see many differences between the myths of the Gaelic cultures and the Egyptian culture but more similarities between the Egyptians and the Sumerians. Life in the northern regions of the world is very different than it is near the equator. For example the Northern peoples had four distinct seasons and this showed in their celebrations. They had the for solar events but also had four aggrerian events as well. In Sumer they had the four solar events (two equinoxs and two solstices) but only had three seasons with summer lasting 8-9 months. The Sumerians were more spiritually focused on the lunar events than they were on the solar or aggrerian events. They did have to track the seasons for planting and such but they used the lunar cycles to do this. The Lunar calendar was corrected each winter solstice and it began anew. The seven day week is based on the Lunar cycles and there was an extra day added to the beginning of each Lunar month at the dark moon (a day of extra celebration) which evened the 29 day lunar cycle out.

PaulS

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Original post: GeNoCyDe

That's useful info,the thing which led to my statement was due to my only studying the Egyptian and Sumerian "mythos"in detail and scanning over the northern European legends.I'm beginning to think that some races are indigenous to earth,and some are "imported",but you have to go into genetics as well as "legends"to see where I got the idea from.

The Indian legends seem to tie in a bit as well,but as you say,they are from a similar area.

Also this:
http://www.white-history.com/index.htm

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Original post: Rin Daemoko

It's similiar in the way that people are baffled about

how pyramids were around in Egypt the same time

they were around in ancient Central America. There

have been all sorts of theories about aliens and

ancient, technologically sophisticated cultures. Which

have not been proved nor disproved, so we cannot

say anything further on that.

However, there is another more plausible element

to the similarities between ancient cultures: human

psychology. It is entirely believeable that someone

on one side of the world would come across a pyramid

shape and consider it funky (or sacred), while someone

on the other side of the planet would think the same

thing.

I find it silly to assume that only one culture alone was

capable of coming up with the idea of making a 3-

dimensional triangle, and that the rest of the world's

human population was too dense to figure it out. We

need to give our species a little more credit than that.

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Original post: MaeveQ

[QUOTE=Rin Daemoko]

It's similiar in the way that people are baffled about

how pyramids were around in Egypt the same time

they were around in ancient Central America. There

have been all sorts of theories about aliens and

ancient, technologically sophisticated cultures. Which

have not been proved nor disproved, so we cannot

say anything further on that.

However, there is another more plausible element

to the similarities between ancient cultures: human

psychology. It is entirely believeable that someone

on one side of the world would come across a pyramid

shape and consider it funky (or sacred), while someone

on the other side of the planet would think the same

thing.

I find it silly to assume that only one culture alone was

capable of coming up with the idea of making a 3-

dimensional triangle, and that the rest of the world's

human population was too dense to figure it out. We

need to give our species a little more credit than that.

[/QUOTE]I agree with this.